Thursday, November 6, 2008

O! Yes We Can!

'Nuff said.


~~Sittin.n.Spinnin said...

I have to ask; you can what?

Julie said...

We can bring about change
We can bring back hope

From Obama's speech after the New Hampshire primary:

But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope. For when we have faced down impossible
odds; when we've been told that we're not ready, or that we shouldn't try, or that we can't, generations of Americans have responded with a simple creed that sums up the spirit of a people.

Yes we can.
It was a creed written into the founding documents that declared the destiny of a nation.

Yes we can.

It was whispered by slaves and abolitionists as they blazed a trail toward freedom through the darkest of nights.

Yes we can.

It was sung by immigrants as they struck out from distant shores and
pioneers who pushed westward against an unforgiving wilderness.

Yes we can.

It was the call of workers who organized; women who reached for the ballot; a President who chose the moon as our new frontier; and a King who took us to the mountaintop and pointed the way to the Promised Land.

Yes we can to justice and equality. Yes we can to opportunity and prosperity. Yes we can heal this nation. Yes we can repair this world. Yes we can.

And so tomorrow, as we take this campaign South and West; as we learn that the struggles of the textile worker in Spartanburg are not so different than the plight of the dishwasher in Las Vegas; that the hopes of the little girl who goes to a crumbling school in Dillon are the same as the dreams of the boy who learns on the streets of LA; we will remember that there is something happening in America; that we are not as divided as our politics suggests; that we are one people; we are one nation; and together, we will begin the next great chapter
in America's story with three words that will ring from coast to
coast; from sea to shining sea - Yes. We. Can.

And in the interest of brevity, from Obama's Presidential victory speech:

This is our chance to answer that call. This is our moment. This is our time - to put our people back to work and open doors of opportunity for our kids; to restore prosperity and promote the cause of peace; to reclaim the American Dream and reaffirm that fundamental truth--that out of many, we are one; that while we breathe, we hope, and where we are met with cynicism, and doubt, and those who tell us that we can't, we will respond with that timeless creed that sums up the spirit of a people.

Yes We Can.

~~Sittin.n.Spinnin said...

I have to tell you Julie, I have been sick to my stomach for three days. I agree to disagree with you on this. There is just so much that has been brought to light, and none of it has stuck to the man. So much he does or has done that doesnt ring true with me. I am truely scared of what will become of a country where the President will not show his birth certificate. What could he be hiding??
Anyway, the next few years should show us what kind of person he really is, I just hope that it doesnt cost us our freedom.

Robin French said...

Oh geez. Check out these links.

Julie said...

All I can say is that if you truly fear that you're somehow going to lose your freedoms then the hate- and fear-mongering of the right wing has done its job. You may not agree with America's choice for President, but I'd hope you'd give him a chance and actually listen to what he has to say and see what he does instead of just blindly believing what others are saying. I'm sure we can agree to disagree, but it really does dishearten me the reaction of some folks to this election. I would hope that McCain's supporters would take his cue after the election and pull together for this country, but I suppose I hope for too much.

I really don't think this is the place for a political discussion, but let me finish by saying that as much as I disliked the policies of the past 8 years, I certainly wasn't physically ill over it--I trusted that our, and the beliefs this country was founded on, coupled with our Constitution and Bill of Rights, would ultimately protect me from the worst that anyone could do. Maybe that's naive, but it's what I held on to when the political system didn't go *my* way. And I survived.

Julie said...

Okay, I have to say that I don't like not being able to edit a comment:

The botched sentence should say that I trusted our Democracy, coupled with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights....

Julie said...

In case you want to check Robin's first link, the extension is missing. It should be:

Julie said...

Okay, I don't know why the extension gets cut off, but you can copy and paste the link and then add a "dot asp" at the end. Or just go to Snopes and search Obama.

~~Sittin.n.Spinnin said...

I am so bothered by the divided opinions of this country, but if you dont think I've done my homework, you certainly have underestimated me. It is the so called 'failed policies' of the current admistration that got obama elected and that is all there is to it. As you say, nuff said. Notice, I dont comment under "anonymous"

~~Sittin.n.Spinnin said...

ps. the link provided talks about a certificate of live birth, NOT a birth certificate. If you try to take a certificate of live birth to the DMV to get a drivers license, or to enroll your kids in school, you will be told it is not a legal document. I want to see his birth certificate, as does half of the rest of the country.

Julie said...

First, I'd rather have a country that's a collection of individuals with diverse opinions, beliefs, etc., than the alternative, especially given that attempts at creating the alternative historically have been disastrous (especially to those who didn't fit the mold).

You're right that unhappiness with the current state of affairs in this country is what got Obama elected. That's pretty much always why the "power" changes hands in this country after all, and we even manage to do it peacefully, for which I am grateful.

And yes, I appreciate that you are posting as yourself so we can have a meaningful discussion.

As for birth certificate vs. certificate of live birth, I think you are mistaken. You made me go look ;-) in my files at what I have in hand, and it turns out to be a certificate of live birth. No one has ever used that to question my status as a citizen, and I have used it as a legal document for years, including as proof of citizenship to get a passport, regular driver's license, international driver's license, and so on. (And this in a state that is/was considered solidly conservative at the time.)

My feeling is that neither the DNC nor the Republican party would have let it go if they had considered Obama's citizenship truly in question. It would have been crazy for either side to do so. The DNC because they wouldn't have wanted to risk an election and the Republicans because proving that he was not a citizen would have been the easiest way to derail his candidacy. *Neither side* found a reason for Obama's candidacy not to go forward, and you can bet a cast of a thousand lawyers reviewed the issue, but nothing came of it. Heck, I even read an article by a Fox (not known for liberal leanings) reporter basically saying "let it rest; it's a nonstarter." It would be like me or like-minded folks going on and on about the supposed illegality of some of what Sarah Palin did as mayor/governor.

Frankly, harping about a birth certificate looks like grasping at straws. It would be nice if both sides could focus on the issues. It's the issues that made a difference in this election. And I'm not saying you didn't do your research, but it does sound like you chose to listen to certain things because you wanted to believe them, rather than because they were really true.

FWIW, if you look at my Certificate of Live Birth, you'd see that my father was Canadian, and that my name wasn't officially registered (by affidavit) until sometime in 1965 (I was born in 1962). Imagine the hey day folks could have with that snippet of information if I ever decided to run for public office. Whoa! Maybe it's not really my certificate--my parents could have switched me with some other unnamed child, or maybe I wasn't even really born to them and some child born in 1965 was subsitituted for me on the certificate. Do you see how ludicrous it could all get (and has gotten in the case of Obama)?

I'm happy to continue this discussion with you, but I think if we want to continue it would be easier to take it to e-mail as using my blog is a bit cumbersome.

~~Sittin.n.Spinnin said...

>Frankly, harping about a birth certificate looks like grasping at straws.

I want to be done with this conversation, as I said, I will agree to disagree, the only reason I picked the BC issue is because it is the least of the evils I have seen come from Mr. Obama's past in the last 6, 8 months. I know you are an intelligent woman, and I would hope that you know the same about me. My DH thinks that anyone that doesnt think like he does is automatically an idiot, I guess many people feel that way.
Sorry, couldnt get past the 'frankly' comment. I'm done. See you on another post :)

Julie said...

Okay, since this is my blog, I get to have the last word, and so I will. Sorry, but it's a rant.

You may have disliked my use of the word frankly, but I take exception to your use of the word "evils." It's a loaded word and implies some very ugly things. If you think Obama or his supporters are somehow evil, that's your choice, but I find it extremely offensive that you would say so. I truly am tired of the hate and fear being spread by people from the right. (Here's a good one: someone on a forum I'm on said she was going to "hang on to her Bible," as if an Obama administration would somehow take her right to her religion and her Bible away. Sheesh! Have we really come to this?) It's ugly, it's insidious, and it does no good. Those people are supposed to be the *Christian* right, but I don't see much Christianity in their rhetoric. Do you?

Why is it that Obama was able to run a campaign where he didn't spend time inciting nastiness among his followers (a hallmark, apparently, of the Palin rallies); didn't waste time encouraging lies and innuendo; and in fact, actually *stopped* his followers from ugly behavior toward his opponents by reprimanding them verbally? Why is it that the other side chose a lower road, and more importantly, why is it that the folks who supported the other side still feel a need to continue the divisiveness? It's over. We need to move forward.

Remember my post some time back about living by the Golden Rule? I may not be a perfect Christian in everyone's book, but I do recognize when my behavior isn't in keeping with the Christian spirit. I wish others could manage to do that as well. I'm sorry if these words offend you or anyone else reading this, but this is my space and I'm tired of the amount of crap being thrown at one man in hopes that *something* will stick. Engaging in that sort of behavior is not in keeping with what it means to be a Christian. The Presidency is a high-profile job and you can bet that Obama's "enemies" won't rest when it comes to trying to find something on him. If they succeed, never fear, we'll *all* know about it. Just don't blithely add to it if you don't have legitimate proof that a concern is genuine.

I pride myself on the fact that I can be friends, yes, good friends, with people who are at the opposite end of the spectrum from me politically. It is even possible to have political conversations with these folks--and we do often agree to disagree. One thing we do not engage in is unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo. You'll note, I haven't done it here. And I haven't done it elsewhere. If I believed or wanted to believe any of the crap I heard about the other side, I chose to keep it to myself. I wish everyone else could do the same.

I hope we can get past our differences and see each other down the road.

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Rachel said...

"I truly am tired of the hate and fear being spread by people from the right."

Ditto. I was so relieved when I went to bed on Tuesday night! I feel that Obama is here to unite us, not divide us and if anyone was here to divide us it is the Republican party, but hopefully with a good example, we can get past that eventually.

Maybe it is because I'm fairly young, but never in my life have I seen so many divides between the Republicans and Democrats and I'm over it...ready to move on.